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Temat: Policzenie ludzkości przed śmiercią Noego

"I umarł Noe w wieku lat dziewięciuset pięćdziesięciu."
(Rdz 9,29)

Narodziny Noego: 1057 Rok Świata
Śmierć Noego: 2007 Rok Świata

Potop: 1657 Rok Świata

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Według Filona z Aleksandrii:

Liczenie ludzkości trwało w latach od 1997 do 2007 Roku Świata

Trzyma się to całości, że policzono ludzkość tuż przed śmiercią Noego.

Piotr-246 · Gość

We wstępie jakiegoś tłumaczenia Jerahmeela jest napisane:

"In Chapter xxviii., paragraph 3, instead of 640 the Latin has 340;"

Musiały być jakieś nieścisłości, ale poprawne jest 340 lat po potopie - wtedy zaczęto liczyć.

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Skoro u Filona jest napisane, że liczono za życia Noego, musiało to być 340 lat po potopie, nie 640 lat.

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Filon z Aleksandrii podaje jako sumę: 914 000 mężczyzn
Jednak obliczyłem sumę - wyszło 732 702

U Jerahmeela suma podana jest: 714 100

Więc było około 700 tysięcy.

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Liczby nie zgadzają się z tym, co przeczytamy u A. K Emmerich:

"Semici w ogóle nie byli tak liczni jak Chamici i Jafetyci, a wśród nich znowu ród Hebera i Abrahama osobno był wyłączony."
(A.K.Emmerich)

Idea liczenia ludu jest jednak interesująca.

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Dlaczego policzono ludzkość?

U Jerahmeela:

"These three chiefs came and took counsel together to assemble all their people while Noah their father was yet alive. And all the people accordingly drew near to them, and were as one body, and peace reigned in the land."

"Tych trzech wodzów przybyło i podjęło naradę, aby zebrać wszystkich swoich ludzi, podczas gdy Noe ich ojciec jeszcze żył, a cały lud zbliżył się do nich i był jednym ciałem, a pokój zapanował w kraju".

Chodzi o trzech wybranych książat Chamitów, Semitów, Jafetytów: Nimroda, Joktana i Pinchasa (Phenecha)

Widząc, że Noe jest stary i umrze postanowili zebrać i policzyć ludzkość.

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Minęło około 8 pokoleń od Wieży Babel.

Żeby z 550 mężczyzn mieć 700 tysięcy.

Z jednego człowieka liczba wzrosła do 1273

2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2=256
3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3=6561

Aby to osiągnąć, nie wystarczyło, aby liczba ludności podwajała się co pokolenie. Czyli nie wystarczyła czwórka dzieci w rodzinie.
Musiała ich być piątka, szóstka.

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Filon z Aleksandrii:

CHAPTER V.
V. 2 Then came the sons of Cham, and made Nembroth a prince over themselves: but the sons of Japheth made Phenech their chief: and the sons of Sem gathered together and set over them Jectan to be their prince.

2. And when these three had met together they took counsel that they would look upon and take account of the people of their followers. And this was done while Noe was yet alive, even that all men should be gathered together: and they lived at one with each other, and the earth was at peace.

3. Now in the 340th year of the going forth of

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[paragraph continues] Noe out of the ark, after that God dried up the flood, did the princes take account of their people.

4. And first Phenech the son of Japheth looked upon them.

The sons of Gomer all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 5,800.

But of the sons of Magog all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their leading the number was 6,200.

And of the sons of Madai all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 5,700.

And the sons of Tubal. all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 9,400.

And the sons of Mesca all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 5,600.

The sons of Thiras all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 12,300.

And the sons of Ripha<<th>> passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number l4,500.

And the sons of Thogorma passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincy were in number 14,400.

But the sons of Elisa passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincy were in number 14,900.

And the sons of Thersis all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincy were in number 12,100.

The sons of Cethin all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincy were in number 17,300.

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And the sons of Doin passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 17,700.

And the number of the camp of the sons of Japheth, all of them men of might and all girt with their armour, which were set in the sight of their captains was 140,202 besides women and children.

The account of Japheth in full was in number 142,000.

5. And Nembroth passed by, he and the son(s) of Cham all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 24,800.

The sons of Phua all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 27,700.

And the sons of Canaan all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 32,800.

The sons of Soba all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 4,300.

The sons of Lebilla all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 22,300.

And the sons of Sata all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 25,300.

And the sons of Remma all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 30,600.

And the sons of Sabaca all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 46,400.

And the number of the camp of the sons of Cham, all of them mighty men, and furnished with

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armour, which were set in the sight of their captaincies was in number 244,900 besides women and children.

6. And Jectan the son of Sem looked upon the sons of Elam, and they were all of them passing by according to the number of the sceptres of their captaincies in number 47,000.

And the sons of Assur all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 73,000.

And the sons of Aram all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 87,300.

The sons of Lud all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 30,600.

[The number of the sons of Cham was 73,000.]

But the sons of Arfaxat all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 114,600.

And the whole number of them was 347,600. 7. The number of the camp of the sons of Sem, all of them setting forth in valour and in the commandment of war in the sight of their captaincies was † ix † besides women and children.

8. 1 And these are the generations of Noe set forth separately, whereof the whole number together was 914,000. And all these were counted while Noe was yet alive, and in the presence of Noe 350 years after the flood. And all the days of Noe were 950 years, and he died.

Footnotes
86:2 V. The numbers in this chapter are hopelessly incorrect. The separate items in the text add up to 704,000; the totals in the text to 734,500, omitting the evidently corrupt figure 9000 assigned to Shem and his descendants. The matter is of no importance.

89:1 8. It is part of this verse which is quoted (and that not accurately) by Petrus Comestor. See Introduction, p. 10.

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