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Temat: Filozof Filon z Aleksandrii

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"And the sons of Elisa: Etzaac, Zenez, Mastisa, Rira."

"And the sons of Duodennin: Itheb, Beath, Phenech."

"And Phenech, the son of Dudeni, went up and commanded that ships of the sea should be made: and then was the third part of the earth divided."

"Now in the 340th year of the going forth of Noe out of the ark, after that God dried up the flood, did the princes take account of their people."

" And first Phenech the son of Japheth looked upon them. The sons of Gomer all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 5,800."

"But the sons of Elisa passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincy were in number 14,900."

"And the sons of Doin passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 17,700."

"And the number of the camp of the sons of Japheth, all of them men of might and all girt with their armour, which were set in the sight of their captains was 140,202 besides women and children."

The account of Japheth in full was in number 142,000.

"And the number of the camp of the sons of Cham, all of them mighty men, and furnished with armour, which were set in the sight of their captaincies was in number 244,900 besides women and children."

But the sons of Arfaxat all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 114,600.

"And the whole number of them was 347,600."

"And these are the generations of Noe set forth separately, whereof the whole number together was 914,000."

"And all these were counted while Noe was yet alive, and in the presence of Noe 350 years after the flood."

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"A wszystko to zostało policzone, gdy Noe jeszcze żył, i w obecności Noego, 350 lat po potopie."

Jak to się ma do obliczeń u Jerahmeela?

Inne cytaty:

"Elisa and his sons took Thabola;
"Dudennin and his sons took Caruba."

"Now in the 340th year of the going forth of Noe out of the ark, after that God dried up the flood, did the princes take account of their people."

To jeszcze układa się w całość, że liczono przez 10 lat i że przed śmiercią Noego policzono wszystkich:

"And these are the generations of Noe set forth separately, whereof the whole number together was 914,000. And all these were counted while Noe was yet alive, and in the presence of Noe 350 years after the flood. And all the days of Noe were 950 years, and he died."

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"I umarł Noe w wieku lat dziewięciuset pięćdziesięciu."
(Rdz 9,29)

Narodziny Noego: 1057 Rok Świata
Śmierć Noego: 2007 Rok Świata

Potop: 1657
Liczenie od 1997 do 2007 Roku Świata

Trzyma się to całości, że policzono ludzkość tuż przed śmiercią Noego.

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Tekst o liczeniu ludzkości 340 lat po potopie:

CHAPTER V.
V. 2 Then came the sons of Cham, and made Nembroth a prince over themselves: but the sons of Japheth made Phenech their chief: and the sons of Sem gathered together and set over them Jectan to be their prince.

2. And when these three had met together they took counsel that they would look upon and take account of the people of their followers. And this was done while Noe was yet alive, even that all men should be gathered together: and they lived at one with each other, and the earth was at peace.

3. Now in the 340th year of the going forth of

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[paragraph continues] Noe out of the ark, after that God dried up the flood, did the princes take account of their people.

4. And first Phenech the son of Japheth looked upon them.

The sons of Gomer all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 5,800.

But of the sons of Magog all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their leading the number was 6,200.

And of the sons of Madai all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 5,700.

And the sons of Tubal. all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 9,400.

And the sons of Mesca all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 5,600.

The sons of Thiras all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 12,300.

And the sons of Ripha<<th>> passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number l4,500.

And the sons of Thogorma passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincy were in number 14,400.

But the sons of Elisa passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincy were in number 14,900.

And the sons of Thersis all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincy were in number 12,100.

The sons of Cethin all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincy were in number 17,300.

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And the sons of Doin passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 17,700.

And the number of the camp of the sons of Japheth, all of them men of might and all girt with their armour, which were set in the sight of their captains was 140,202 besides women and children.

The account of Japheth in full was in number 142,000.

5. And Nembroth passed by, he and the son(s) of Cham all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 24,800.

The sons of Phua all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 27,700.

And the sons of Canaan all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 32,800.

The sons of Soba all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 4,300.

The sons of Lebilla all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 22,300.

And the sons of Sata all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 25,300.

And the sons of Remma all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 30,600.

And the sons of Sabaca all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 46,400.

And the number of the camp of the sons of Cham, all of them mighty men, and furnished with

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armour, which were set in the sight of their captaincies was in number 244,900 besides women and children.

6. And Jectan the son of Sem looked upon the sons of Elam, and they were all of them passing by according to the number of the sceptres of their captaincies in number 47,000.

And the sons of Assur all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 73,000.

And the sons of Aram all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 87,300.

The sons of Lud all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were found in number 30,600.

[The number of the sons of Cham was 73,000.]

But the sons of Arfaxat all of them passing by according to the sceptres of their captaincies were in number 114,600.

And the whole number of them was 347,600. 7. The number of the camp of the sons of Sem, all of them setting forth in valour and in the commandment of war in the sight of their captaincies was † ix † besides women and children.

8. 1 And these are the generations of Noe set forth separately, whereof the whole number together was 914,000. And all these were counted while Noe was yet alive, and in the presence of Noe 350 years after the flood. And all the days of Noe were 950 years, and he died.

Footnotes
86:2 V. The numbers in this chapter are hopelessly incorrect. The separate items in the text add up to 704,000; the totals in the text to 734,500, omitting the evidently corrupt figure 9000 assigned to Shem and his descendants. The matter is of no importance.

89:1 8. It is part of this verse which is quoted (and that not accurately) by Petrus Comestor. See Introduction, p. 10.

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ROZDZIAŁ V.

V. Wtedy przyszli synowie Chama, i ustanowili Nembrota księcia nad sobą;
synowie Jafeta uczynili Phenecha naczelnikiem;
synowie Sema zgromadzili się, i postanowili nad nimi Jektan, aby byli księciem ich.

2. A kiedy ci trzej spotkali się razem, przyjęli radę, że będą liczyć ludzi swoich naczelników.
I stało się to, gdy Noe jeszcze żył, i że wszyscy ludzie powinni być zgromadzeni, i żyli ze sobą, a ziemia była spokojna.

3. Teraz w 340 roku od wyjścia Noego z arki, po tym jak Bóg wysuszył potop, książęta policzyli swój lud.

4. Phenech, syn Jafeta, doglądał ich.

Synowie Gomera, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 5.800.
Synowie Magoga, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 6200.
Synowie Madai wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 5.700.
Synowie Tubala. wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 9 400.
Synowie Meski, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 5.600.
Synowie Thira, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 12 300.
Synowie Riphath, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 14.500.
Synowie Thogorma, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 14.400.
Synowie Elisy, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 14 900.
Synowie Thersis, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 12 100.
Synowie Cethina, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 17 300.
Synowie Doina, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 17.700

A liczba obozu synów Jafeta, wszyscy mężowie możni, wynosiła 140.202 oprócz kobiet i dzieci.

Raport Jafeta w całości liczył 142.000.

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5. Nastepnie Nembroth, on wraz z synami Chama - wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 24,800.
Synowie Phui, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 27.700.
Synowie Kanaana, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 32.800.
Synowie Soby, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 4 300.
Synowie Lebilla, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 22.300.
Synowie Sata, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 25300.
Synowie Remmy, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 30 600.
Synowie Sabaki, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 46 400.

Liczba obozu synów Chama, wszystkich potężnych, uzbrojonych mężczyzn, który podlegali chorągwi ich naczelników, była 244,900 oprócz kobiet i dzieci.

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6. Jekan, syn Sema, spojrzał na synów Elamowych, a oni wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 47 000.
Synowie Assura, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 73 000.
Synowie Arama, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 87.300.
Synowie Ludu, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 30 600.
Synowie Arfaxata, wszyscy podlegli chorągwi naczelnika, byli w liczbie 114.600.

A cała ich liczba wynosiła 347 600 osób.

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7. Liczbę obozu synów Sema, wszystkich wyznających dzielność i przykazanie wojny na oczach ich kapitanów, była (nieczytelne) oprócz kobiet i dzieci.

8. Są to generacje Noego przedstawione oddzielnie, z których całkowita liczba wynosiła 914 000. A wszystko to zostało policzone, podczas gdy Noe jeszcze żyła, i w obecności Noe 350 lat po potopie. A wszystkie dni Noego trwały 950 lat, a on umarł.

W przypisie do tekstu jest mowa, że liczby są błędne. Pewnie pomyłki przy przepiwysaniu.

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Sumę u Filona obliczyłem - wyszło 732,702.
U Jerahmeela suma podana jest: 714,100
Więc około 700 tysięcy.

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